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		<title>By: Best of Dropout Nation: Why Desegregation Must Be Secondary to Systemic Reform</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best of Dropout Nation: Why Desegregation Must Be Secondary to Systemic Reform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to expect high-quality schools in their neighborhoods. More importantly, what is the point of a harmonious society when half of the population is poorly educated, likely to end up in prison, and will fall onto the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: john thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>john thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Measuring the benefits of desegragion through test scores?  What kind of society have we become?  

Leonie is right.  The fact that someone wrote that sentence should be a wakeup call.  

On the other hand, I followed the link this morniing to an article about the change away from teaching as a middle class career.  I expected another &quot;reform&quot; article of why that&#039;s good.  But guess what?  The article did NOT praise the destruction of good teaching jobs.</description>
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<p>Leonie is right.  The fact that someone wrote that sentence should be a wakeup call.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, I followed the link this morniing to an article about the change away from teaching as a middle class career.  I expected another &#8220;reform&#8221; article of why that&#8217;s good.  But guess what?  The article did NOT praise the destruction of good teaching jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Churn: Thursday &#124; EdNewsColorado</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Churn: Thursday &#124; EdNewsColorado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Keep hope alive: Is desegregation dead as a school reform strategy? This blogger says no.  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leonie Haimson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonie Haimson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t necessarily buy that desegregation doesn&#039;t also help raise achievement, it&#039;s really rather sad and a sign of the times that all that seems to matter to many so-called experts is test scores.   What kind of a society have we become?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t necessarily buy that desegregation doesn&#8217;t also help raise achievement, it&#8217;s really rather sad and a sign of the times that all that seems to matter to many so-called experts is test scores.   What kind of a society have we become?</p>
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		<title>By: Remainders: The view from the teachers of Generation Y &#124; GothamSchools</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remainders: The view from the teachers of Generation Y &#124; GothamSchools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No, desegregation as a school reform won&#8217;t go gently into that good night. (Hechinger) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hechinger Report &#124; Why we should be skeptical about standardized test scores #edu #education #parents &#171; Parents 4 democratic Schools</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hechinger Report &#124; Why we should be skeptical about standardized test scores #edu #education #parents &#171; Parents 4 democratic Schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reviving desegregation from the dead by Sarah Garland [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reviving desegregation from the dead &#171; By SARAH GARLAND</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reviving desegregation from the dead &#171; By SARAH GARLAND</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Education Next is writing about desegregation makes me think the answer is, “Not quite yet.”) READ MORE&#8230; Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)What&#8217;s next for school-based [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why Desegregation Must Be Secondary to Systemic Reform</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Desegregation Must Be Secondary to Systemic Reform</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] to expect high-quality schools in their neighborhoods. More importantly, what is the point of a harmonious society when half of the population is poorly educated, likely to end up in prison, and will fall onto the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Sacken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sacken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say, &quot;if we&#039;re serious...&quot; - the predicate question to whether WE are serious = who is WE?? Reading about the dispute in Raleigh NC over deseg policy, I was reminded that many who profess non-discriminatory motives still embrace or promote policies that segregate, for reasons, persuasive to them, that avoid any explicit racial motive. 

This is not new. The sacredness of neighborhood schools emerged about the time efforts to deseg became serious (ie, became focused on integration). Many folks are perfectly content if the actual/de jure barriers to segregation are removed, so long as other, &quot;race-neutral&quot; policies protect their children&#039;s schools from integration. The value of integrating schools, especially if social classes are involved or tipping-level numbers, is remote and long term at best. The responses from those whose schools/kids are impacted are the familiar NIMBY arguments.

I don&#039;t see that many middle class and up folks who are very concerned about developing Other People&#039;s Children if they believe there is a cost to their own - and for so many people, social class/race mixing in schools is either a barrier to their children&#039;s education or an unfair burden to their kids that other similarly-situated kids don&#039;t have to bear (eg, kids in private schools). Thus, they believe that deseg makes the contest among the middle and up kids unfair to those who must bear the extra weight.

It is also a belief  of many in majority-minority communities that the costs to their children of compelled integration are simply too high, and their kids are best served in context, especially if minority dominant schools can be mostly middle class as well. The mix of class and race issues is utterly complex, seemingly intractable. After decades of viewing these efforts, I think the major shift in beliefs occurring in my life time is that educated/affluent white folks see minority children from similar families are safe, even desirable to have in the local schools - within limits (and I guess the limits have stretched some as well). Same as in housing. Thus semi-integrated suburbs are relatively acceptable so long as whites still clearly dominate in numbers in homes &amp; schools, again much as in private schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say, &#8220;if we&#8217;re serious&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; the predicate question to whether WE are serious = who is WE?? Reading about the dispute in Raleigh NC over deseg policy, I was reminded that many who profess non-discriminatory motives still embrace or promote policies that segregate, for reasons, persuasive to them, that avoid any explicit racial motive. </p>
<p>This is not new. The sacredness of neighborhood schools emerged about the time efforts to deseg became serious (ie, became focused on integration). Many folks are perfectly content if the actual/de jure barriers to segregation are removed, so long as other, &#8220;race-neutral&#8221; policies protect their children&#8217;s schools from integration. The value of integrating schools, especially if social classes are involved or tipping-level numbers, is remote and long term at best. The responses from those whose schools/kids are impacted are the familiar NIMBY arguments.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that many middle class and up folks who are very concerned about developing Other People&#8217;s Children if they believe there is a cost to their own &#8211; and for so many people, social class/race mixing in schools is either a barrier to their children&#8217;s education or an unfair burden to their kids that other similarly-situated kids don&#8217;t have to bear (eg, kids in private schools). Thus, they believe that deseg makes the contest among the middle and up kids unfair to those who must bear the extra weight.</p>
<p>It is also a belief  of many in majority-minority communities that the costs to their children of compelled integration are simply too high, and their kids are best served in context, especially if minority dominant schools can be mostly middle class as well. The mix of class and race issues is utterly complex, seemingly intractable. After decades of viewing these efforts, I think the major shift in beliefs occurring in my life time is that educated/affluent white folks see minority children from similar families are safe, even desirable to have in the local schools &#8211; within limits (and I guess the limits have stretched some as well). Same as in housing. Thus semi-integrated suburbs are relatively acceptable so long as whites still clearly dominate in numbers in homes &amp; schools, again much as in private schools.</p>
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